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Fuel Planning Terminology


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Full disclosure: I'm coming back to VFR from 25 years of airline flying so by all means take all this with a pinch of salt.

I'm finding one of the terms used in SkyDemon to describe the various categories of fuel required for any particular flight somewhat misleading.

SkyDemon uses the term "Holding Time" fuel to describe what in IFR flying would be "Final Reserve" fuel. i.e. the quantity of fuel loaded which you hope never to have to burn. If it becomes apparent that an IFR flight will land with less than the full amount of Final Reserve fuel on board, it is expected that an emergency will be declared. IFR flight planning also requires a minimum of 30 minutes "holding fuel" to be carried, but this is fuel that you can use if required, and is in addition to Final Reserve fuel.

Part-NCO requires VFR flights to carry "minimum fuel reserves", and this is analogous to "final reserve" in IFR.

I respectfully suggest that the term "Holding Time" be changed to "Minimum Fuel Reserves" to emphasise the point that this fuel is the last drop available, and align the terminology with Part-NCO. If fuel is required for "holding", it might more appropriate to account for it separately, or even add it to the contingency fuel.

I'm new around here; not trying to change the world, just thinking out load really.

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Tim Dawson - 7/22/2024 9:00:39 AM
You would enter an amount per aircraft (not a time) and that would simply be added to your fuel calculations and weight and balance too of course.

That would be helpful, but the time corresponding to this amount should be included in the endurance figure as well. Even if you're not supposed to use it, it can still be used in an emergency.


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I’m not keen on that approach. Like it or not, there are many pilots who don’t fully understand Part NCO and its definition of emergency fuel, and may be lured into thinking it’s some optional thing. Anyway, SD does nt know what consumption I’ve assumed when I’ve specified an amount of fuel in litres I may have specified my legal IFR 45 minutes using the required method and SD show it as a different calculated time. I would rather see the PLOG changed to show an endurance figure plus the emergency amount separately.
Edited 7/22/2024 12:10:43 PM by grahamb
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grahamb - 7/22/2024 10:54:14 AM
I’m not keen on that approach. Like it or not, there are many pilots who don’t fully understand Part NCO and its definition of emergency fuel, and may be lured into thinking it’s some optional thing. Anyway, SD does nt know what consumption I’ve assumed when I’ve specified an amount of fuel in litres I may have specified my legal IFR 45 minutes using the required method and SD show it as a different calculated time. I would rather see the PLOG changed to show an endurance figure plus the emergency amount separately.

There are two different but related issues.
- That the pilot understands how long it will take before the aircraft runs out of fuel
- That the endurance figure in flight plans reflects how long it will take before the aircraft runs out of fuel


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F70100 - 10/12/2020 4:42:58 PM
marioair - 12/16/2023 8:20:59 AM
lhe - 7/21/2024 5:13:40 PM
Tim Dawson - 7/22/2024 9:00:39 AM
F70100 - 7/22/2024 9:16:48 AM
lhe - 7/22/2024 9:39:03 AM
grahamb - 7/22/2024 10:54:14 AM
                     There are two different but related issues. - That the pilot...
lhe - 7/23/2024 4:44:18 PM
F70100 - 7/23/2024 5:16:26 PM
Tim Dawson - 7/25/2024 9:02:53 AM
lhe - 7/25/2024 12:45:16 PM
grahamb - 7/25/2024 1:38:33 PM
lhe - 7/25/2024 1:45:23 PM
                         I've quoted the regs exactly as they are. Ask our CAA what they mean!...
grahamb - 7/25/2024 2:50:46 PM
                             Both those scenarios make the case for separate fuel allocations:...
F70100 - 7/25/2024 4:11:42 PM
                                 Actually they do. The relevant parts of NCO.OP.125: The...
lhe - 7/30/2024 8:53:24 AM
Tim Dawson - 7/29/2024 9:21:10 AM

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